The Problem With Dumuzi

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  1. The shepherd is not a Babylonian constellation and Draco does not correspond to Dumuzi either if you look up Mulapin it gives you the real constellations. I also suggest you consider reading good academic material for an understanding of the culture and mythology of the region. There is nothing in Judaism and Christianity that cannot be sourced back to the culture and mythology of Sumeria/ Messopotamia or Babylon. There was no need to borrow what was already part of their culture.

    1. Thank you for reading my post. Your tone sounds annoyed or angry. However, I never said that Dumuzi was a Babylonian God. Babylon is a much later civilization than the one I’m treating here. Dumuzi, as I said, was already an old god in Sumer. As far as I know, and I’ve consulted a great deal of books and articles on this subject, both academic and for the general public, the Sumerians, and the Babylonians, did have a Shepherd constellation. Here is one source that affirms it: John H. Rogers, “Origins of the ancient contellations: I. The Mesopotamian traditions”, Journal of the British Astronomical Association 108 (1998) 9–28. There are other sources, but it’s beyond the scope here to list them here. There is also a constellation of GAM possibly a Shepherd’s crook.

      I don’t know about Draco. That was just a speculation — and I think it’s clear that I’m only speculating from the language in my blog. If I thought I was going to be exposed to academic examination, I would consult more ancient star lore, but again, I think all that is besides the point, as my only intent was to muse on the many identities of this ancient and alluring god.

      As for your other comment “There is nothing in Judaism and Christianity that cannot be sourced back to the culture and mythology of Sumeria…” that’s exactly my point, my friend. Perhaps you misunderstood what you read here.

      1. The Sumerians are much older but we only have access to the Babylonian constellations, we can guess the Sumerian ones from that since we know Judaism used Sumerian Calandar, Damuzi or Tammuz has always been a part of Judaism. it is in the month of July and correseponds to Helical rising and setting of stars.

      2. Yep. The MULAPIN is 14th century, thousands of years later. I’m really not in my comfort zone when talking about stars, but I assume you’re taking into account the shift in the constellation that would have been present in a sky thousands of years older? What I was getting at in my post was that we really don’t know when Dumuzi began, and that his cult may even predate Sumerians. It is my (admittedly vague) understanding that the rise of the constellations would have corresponded to different seasons then. His later association with a sky dragon baffles me. And my bad if I’m completely off here. As I said, this is beyond the scope of what I am looking at.

  2. There are stories upon stories, myths, theology, ideas about God, and myriad ways of interpreting the One Most High God, the creator of all creation, the Source of Love. Then there is the actual, felt Presence, the experience of the Power of God that cannot be denied. In a class called “Meditation and Mandalas” I was trying to follow the instructions to visualize buddha in my third eye when Jesus came to me and said, “Come to Me you who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest” At his words a warmth started in my belly and rose upwards. When the heat got to my heart it exploded like fireworks and I felt chains breaking. The meditation ended and I cried tears of God and I have never been the same. Is Jesus real? Yes. Is Jesus alive and present in the world? Yes. Is Jesus the manifestation of the entire deity, the fullness of God? Yes. How do I know? Because the POWER for transformation, transmutation and transfiguration came when Jesus appeared to me. Now all there is is the presence of Christ and my perception has completely changed: my eye has opened (single eye, full of light = body full of light), my ears have open so I can hear the voice of God, my heart has opened to compassion, my mind has expanded to the Mind of Christ, and my body has miraculously healed and been made whole. “For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory” 2Peter1:16-17

    1. Thank you for sharing your beautiful experience here and for reading my post. I have heard many beautiful stories like these from people of all creeds and of course I also have had my own experiences. What I think is that each of us has the potential to reach that divine state however best we are able to overcome our intellect and be earnest towards the longing. The fact that it was Jesus who answered you is a beautiful thing, but doesn’t really disprove what I was trying to say. If you were born in a Christian tradition it is much more likely that you reach transcendence through Christ than through Buddha — whether or not the vision you had was of the actual Christ of history or just your own heart speaking to you, that is a matter of semantics. God has reached to you in the way you understand God, but what works for you may not be what works for others or even what they see.

      I would say that whatever God is, God has many forms, many ways of manifesting to others. That is why I say that it seems hardly relevant anymore whether we follow a historical figure that actually lived or whether we follow our own idea of Him, one that we carried over from ancient cults that we clung to because, like children, we needed our safety blankets — perhaps that’s what you’re saying as well, I’m not sure. Ultimately, it’s the earnestness of faith that gets us there, as yours got you to where you are, and mine got me to mine. I will never spar with anyone on the existence of God or the authenticity of an experience. But trying to put a definitive label or a blanket explanation on something, that to me is a dangerous thing to do.

      As for Dumuzi, he is a historical interest to me: to understand why such a paradigm has perpetuated itself so often on the human psyche is probably one of the most important questions we can ask ourselves — regardless our personal spiritual path. Maybe one day we will all be brave enough to question our dogmas and alight instead on our experience of transcendence.

      Many blessings to you for your beautiful words. And thank you.

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